Present: Schnorrenberg, Kubicek, Kohn, Pounder, O’Dell, Shaw, French, G. Mitchell, P. Hand, Baxter, Boyer,
Absent: Hager, Stuart-Paul, Francis, A. Mitchell, Samuel
The meeting began at 7:32 with prayer, scripture and listening post.
The minutes of the last vestry meeting were accepted by the vestry.
Kubicek- has met with first elevator contractor. Also met with stair lift company and a railing for stairs, some progress on cross for the steeple spoken with fabricator in Tennessee.
Shaw to find out about possibility of cell phone tower on the property
Kohn- Jan 9 Safe Church Adult Sexual Misconduct
Senior Warden’s report guest and new member recap by me otherwise wait and see.
Junior Warden’s report night light may need to get an electrician. List of maintenance issues
Advent Craft Day is we having it? Green Team talked about a family advent craft day. Vesta Ellerbee wants to have a simple knitting class.
John French has started getting a list of names for vestry election together perhaps by next meeting.
Pledges as of today 30 cards $93,702.00.
Dreams – Balanced Budget, Pastoral Care and pledges to 400 in 5 years, bring back the tract rack, bigger presence in the community.
Pledge card in each bulletin; reprint a quote from someone, a dream, a letter from the co-rector’s
The meeting ended at 8:40 PM with Eucharist
Respectfully Submitted
Katherine Schnorrenberg
Registrar
Tuesday, December 15, 2009
Wednesday, December 2, 2009
Vestry Minutes 10/12/09
Present: Schnorrenberg, Shaw, A. Mitchell, G, Mitchell, Kubicek, Francis, Kohn, Pounder, Boyer, Hager, Baxter, P. Hand, French,
Absent: O’Dell, Samuel, Stuart-Paul,
The meeting began at 7:30 PM with scripture, prayer and listening post.
The minutes were accepted by the vestry.
The treasurer’s report was accepted by vestry.
The rector’s report (Kubicek)
Hosting Jesse delight.
Diane Six thanked for her work on the signs
Joan Stokes trying to deliver altar flowers to people looking for help with this new mission
Christmas Eve services 4:30 PM and 9:00 PM
Epiphany will be on its date Wednesday January 6, 2010 at 7:30 PM with covered dish at 6:30 PM.
8:30 AM is the larger of the two services attendance is level to a little larger.
Kirk is providing tutorial to a young man about alcohol and drug abuse.
Thanks to anonymous memorial gift of $6,000 and the women of the church giving the No Price Sale $1400. We are on the more than half way toward the goal of 10,000.
The rectors report (Kohn)-New acolytes coming and need vestments washed. Matt Pounder Drew Stone, Aaron Amaker.
Pounder-Try to send agenda items ahead of time.
Worship Communication Sunday needs to be planned KLS to check minutes as to when that was to be done. Also talk about work of the worship committee.
Stewardship Communication Sunday plans
Baxter gave overview of the plan of the meeting.
Discussion then ensued regarding the plans for the 18th.
Kohn went over the plan for the stewardship plan.
Capital Improvement Fund Issue.
See John’s note
John Francis made motion to use funds to pay rectory costs and Hager seconded.
Discussion ensued regarding the Capital Improvement Fund.
Vestry approved the motion.
Route 1 Homeless Ministry
Gina Arents at the behest of Kohn and Kubicek to find some one to be coordinator
If we can not find some one to coordinate the ministry how else can we contribute?
Needs some one to liaison with Route 1 and then send the emails out.
Elevator discussion was had by the vestry and how to approach investigate its doable or not. Kubicek will talk to Stuart-Paul about a plan to investigate elevator feasibility and talk to Holy Apostles Arbutus who has recently installed an elevator.
The meeting ended with Eucharist at 9:30 PM
Respectfully Submitted
Katherine Schnorrenberg
Absent: O’Dell, Samuel, Stuart-Paul,
The meeting began at 7:30 PM with scripture, prayer and listening post.
The minutes were accepted by the vestry.
The treasurer’s report was accepted by vestry.
The rector’s report (Kubicek)
Hosting Jesse delight.
Diane Six thanked for her work on the signs
Joan Stokes trying to deliver altar flowers to people looking for help with this new mission
Christmas Eve services 4:30 PM and 9:00 PM
Epiphany will be on its date Wednesday January 6, 2010 at 7:30 PM with covered dish at 6:30 PM.
8:30 AM is the larger of the two services attendance is level to a little larger.
Kirk is providing tutorial to a young man about alcohol and drug abuse.
Thanks to anonymous memorial gift of $6,000 and the women of the church giving the No Price Sale $1400. We are on the more than half way toward the goal of 10,000.
The rectors report (Kohn)-New acolytes coming and need vestments washed. Matt Pounder Drew Stone, Aaron Amaker.
Pounder-Try to send agenda items ahead of time.
Worship Communication Sunday needs to be planned KLS to check minutes as to when that was to be done. Also talk about work of the worship committee.
Stewardship Communication Sunday plans
Baxter gave overview of the plan of the meeting.
Discussion then ensued regarding the plans for the 18th.
Kohn went over the plan for the stewardship plan.
Capital Improvement Fund Issue.
See John’s note
John Francis made motion to use funds to pay rectory costs and Hager seconded.
Discussion ensued regarding the Capital Improvement Fund.
Vestry approved the motion.
Route 1 Homeless Ministry
Gina Arents at the behest of Kohn and Kubicek to find some one to be coordinator
If we can not find some one to coordinate the ministry how else can we contribute?
Needs some one to liaison with Route 1 and then send the emails out.
Elevator discussion was had by the vestry and how to approach investigate its doable or not. Kubicek will talk to Stuart-Paul about a plan to investigate elevator feasibility and talk to Holy Apostles Arbutus who has recently installed an elevator.
The meeting ended with Eucharist at 9:30 PM
Respectfully Submitted
Katherine Schnorrenberg
Wednesday, October 14, 2009
Vestry Minutes 9/14/09
Present: Schnorrenberg, Kohn, Boyer, O’Dell, Francis, Kubicek, Pounder, Hager, A. Hager, G, French, Baxter, A. Mitchell
Absent: Samuel, G. Mitchell, Stuart-Paul,
The meeting began at 7:32 PM with prayer, scripture, and listening post.
Guy Hager making a proposal to make a special fund to raise money to repair the stained glass windows in the church guy would look primarily for people outside the parish to help fund this perhaps descendents of the memorials. Approx cost is 10,000. ½ for St. Peter to be repaired and the other half for the smaller windows
A. Hager made a motion to open discussion. Baxter seconded
Discussion ensued.
Vestry voted to create a special fund for restoring the windows and for Hager to be the point person to raise the money.
Vestry accepted the minutes.
Treasurer presented his report.
Co-Rectors report –Kubicek is working on railings on our hall steps and a bars in bathrooms. New Korean congregation is possibly coming.
Cross on the steeple has become more complicated
Co-Rector report –Kohn painting of the office and getting settled in her new role
Senior Warden thanks to Schnorrenberg and Diane Six for the parish directory, finishing the kitchen and signs. Get people to come to the retreat.
Jennie Boyer Christian Ed Liaison said that Jesse needs a ride and a place to stay. Schnorrenberg volunteered
Schnorrenberg presented an estimate from sign-a-rama regarding the replacement and new installation of outside signs.
Shaw motion and Hager second to discuss the signs. Discussion ensued.
Motion to spend the money on the signs passed with one abstention by French and one no by Baxter.
John French to start recruitment of vestry and revision of vestry by-laws. Shaw, Baxter and G Mitchell to assist with recruitment.
Baxter expounded on the up coming parish retreat.
Baxter needs stretch budget wish list items sent to him two weeks from tonight.
Pounder requested mutual ministry information for next meeting and how can we evaluate and judge the health of St. Peter’s.
The meeting ended at 9:05 PM with Eucharist
Respectfully Submitted
Katherine Schnorrenberg
Registrar
Absent: Samuel, G. Mitchell, Stuart-Paul,
The meeting began at 7:32 PM with prayer, scripture, and listening post.
Guy Hager making a proposal to make a special fund to raise money to repair the stained glass windows in the church guy would look primarily for people outside the parish to help fund this perhaps descendents of the memorials. Approx cost is 10,000. ½ for St. Peter to be repaired and the other half for the smaller windows
A. Hager made a motion to open discussion. Baxter seconded
Discussion ensued.
Vestry voted to create a special fund for restoring the windows and for Hager to be the point person to raise the money.
Vestry accepted the minutes.
Treasurer presented his report.
Co-Rectors report –Kubicek is working on railings on our hall steps and a bars in bathrooms. New Korean congregation is possibly coming.
Cross on the steeple has become more complicated
Co-Rector report –Kohn painting of the office and getting settled in her new role
Senior Warden thanks to Schnorrenberg and Diane Six for the parish directory, finishing the kitchen and signs. Get people to come to the retreat.
Jennie Boyer Christian Ed Liaison said that Jesse needs a ride and a place to stay. Schnorrenberg volunteered
Schnorrenberg presented an estimate from sign-a-rama regarding the replacement and new installation of outside signs.
Shaw motion and Hager second to discuss the signs. Discussion ensued.
Motion to spend the money on the signs passed with one abstention by French and one no by Baxter.
John French to start recruitment of vestry and revision of vestry by-laws. Shaw, Baxter and G Mitchell to assist with recruitment.
Baxter expounded on the up coming parish retreat.
Baxter needs stretch budget wish list items sent to him two weeks from tonight.
Pounder requested mutual ministry information for next meeting and how can we evaluate and judge the health of St. Peter’s.
The meeting ended at 9:05 PM with Eucharist
Respectfully Submitted
Katherine Schnorrenberg
Registrar
Wednesday, September 16, 2009
Vestry Minutes 8/11/09
Present: Boyer, O’Dell, Pounder, G Mitchell, Shaw, Schnorrenberg, Kubicek, Baxter, Francis, Hager,
Absent: Kohn, Stuart-Paul, A Mitchell, French, Samuel,
The meeting began at 7:35 PM with prayer, scripture, and listening post.
The minutes of the June 2 and June 23 meeting were accepted.
The treasurer presented his report. (highlights)
July Net (69,348)
June Net (55,152)
March Net (51,199)
Rector’s Report (highlights)
Change Flow of driving
Report all vandalism
Crab Feast More at the door.
Rodem Korean Church has left us.
Senior Warden encouraged people to turn in their reports.
Thanked Tom Baxter for his work on the co-rector letter of agreement.
Stewardship Campaign
September 26 retreat then October 18 Communication Sunday
Have a narrative budget retreat day.
Makes budget into forms of ministry
Each form gets a percentage of the allocated monies.
Total up volunteer hours in each category.
Gather stories for each ministry
Commission a group to then write a narrative budget
What kind of Church do you want to be?
Peanut Butter or Steak but you got to pay for it.
The narrative says who we are and where we are.
How are we recycling since the county is not picking up anymore? Co-Op?
Guv and Phil will work on it for next month.
The meeting ended at 8:50 PM with Eucharist.
Respectfully Submitted
Katherine Schnorrenberg
Registrar
Absent: Kohn, Stuart-Paul, A Mitchell, French, Samuel,
The meeting began at 7:35 PM with prayer, scripture, and listening post.
The minutes of the June 2 and June 23 meeting were accepted.
The treasurer presented his report. (highlights)
July Net (69,348)
June Net (55,152)
March Net (51,199)
Rector’s Report (highlights)
Change Flow of driving
Report all vandalism
Crab Feast More at the door.
Rodem Korean Church has left us.
Senior Warden encouraged people to turn in their reports.
Thanked Tom Baxter for his work on the co-rector letter of agreement.
Stewardship Campaign
September 26 retreat then October 18 Communication Sunday
Have a narrative budget retreat day.
Makes budget into forms of ministry
Each form gets a percentage of the allocated monies.
Total up volunteer hours in each category.
Gather stories for each ministry
Commission a group to then write a narrative budget
What kind of Church do you want to be?
Peanut Butter or Steak but you got to pay for it.
The narrative says who we are and where we are.
How are we recycling since the county is not picking up anymore? Co-Op?
Guv and Phil will work on it for next month.
The meeting ended at 8:50 PM with Eucharist.
Respectfully Submitted
Katherine Schnorrenberg
Registrar
Thursday, August 13, 2009
Vestry Minutes 6/23/09
Present: Kubicek, Schnorrenberg, Pounder, O’Dell, Shaw, Kohn, Stuart-Paul, D. Six, Baxter, G. Mitchell, A. Mitchell, Hager,
Absent: Francis, French
The meeting began at 7:30 PM with prayer scripture and listening post.
The Treasurer’s report was presented
The rector let us know that the front steps of our church were hit by a car and that repairs will be needed.
Baxter reported that the Audit took place and we are waiting for the report from Karen Stewart.
Senior Warden reports 34 children are participating in VBS. The young persons and preschool parents have really pitched in this year to make it happen.
Pounder has some personal physical stuff dealing with and may be also gone some in July.
Junior Warden reports stripping should take place soon and that he can install the hood when it arrives.
We should also have the cross repaired as soon as the insurance frees the money. Craig will do a roof inspection and tend to loose flashing and resealing the sky lights.
Admin report: Discretionary Fund scamming getting more prevalent.
O’Dell made motion to accept the Co-Rector proposal and to move forward with implementation. Boyer seconded it.
Baxter spoke to Stewart Wright Director of Human Resources at the Diocese regarding our proposal and the contracts by the 1st of September. With part time rectors an annual review is required.
Mutual Ministry review is required by diocese Vestry, Rectors, Congregation has to review.
Committee will be Stuart-Paul, Pounder, Baxter, Kubicek, Kohn, and Stuart Wright.
Pounder- Comments she has garnered. If someone leaves does the other become in charge. Is there mediator solution if there are irreconcilable issues?
Kubicek there is a plan in place in the diocese if needed.
Vestry approved with on nay by G Mitchell and one abstention A Mitchell
Diane Six from Guest and New Members shared proposal to redo out door signs and add indoor signage.
Hager proposes that we do the outdoor signs and we do the installation ourselves.
G Mitchell seconded.
Richard pointed out we need an additional handicapped signs to get people to the parking.
Vestry discussed how many and where signs placed.
Angela asked if it would be possible to get the garden weeded.
Baxter pointed out we need that we to have a plan for the budget and stick with it.
August 22 is the Crab Feast.
September 13, 19 potential dates for Pig Roast.
Shaw reminds us Kim Coble is coming Sunday.
The meeting ended 8:50 PM.
Absent: Francis, French
The meeting began at 7:30 PM with prayer scripture and listening post.
The Treasurer’s report was presented
The rector let us know that the front steps of our church were hit by a car and that repairs will be needed.
Baxter reported that the Audit took place and we are waiting for the report from Karen Stewart.
Senior Warden reports 34 children are participating in VBS. The young persons and preschool parents have really pitched in this year to make it happen.
Pounder has some personal physical stuff dealing with and may be also gone some in July.
Junior Warden reports stripping should take place soon and that he can install the hood when it arrives.
We should also have the cross repaired as soon as the insurance frees the money. Craig will do a roof inspection and tend to loose flashing and resealing the sky lights.
Admin report: Discretionary Fund scamming getting more prevalent.
O’Dell made motion to accept the Co-Rector proposal and to move forward with implementation. Boyer seconded it.
Baxter spoke to Stewart Wright Director of Human Resources at the Diocese regarding our proposal and the contracts by the 1st of September. With part time rectors an annual review is required.
Mutual Ministry review is required by diocese Vestry, Rectors, Congregation has to review.
Committee will be Stuart-Paul, Pounder, Baxter, Kubicek, Kohn, and Stuart Wright.
Pounder- Comments she has garnered. If someone leaves does the other become in charge. Is there mediator solution if there are irreconcilable issues?
Kubicek there is a plan in place in the diocese if needed.
Vestry approved with on nay by G Mitchell and one abstention A Mitchell
Diane Six from Guest and New Members shared proposal to redo out door signs and add indoor signage.
Hager proposes that we do the outdoor signs and we do the installation ourselves.
G Mitchell seconded.
Richard pointed out we need an additional handicapped signs to get people to the parking.
Vestry discussed how many and where signs placed.
Angela asked if it would be possible to get the garden weeded.
Baxter pointed out we need that we to have a plan for the budget and stick with it.
August 22 is the Crab Feast.
September 13, 19 potential dates for Pig Roast.
Shaw reminds us Kim Coble is coming Sunday.
The meeting ended 8:50 PM.
Vestry Notes 6/2/09
Vestry Meeting
June 2, 2009
Present: Kirk Kubicek, Mary-Marguerite Kohn, Anne Pounder, John Francis, Eric Samuel, Guv Mitchell, Angela Mitchell, Phil Shaw, John French, Tom Baxter, Richard O’Dell, Anne Hager, Jennie Boyer
Absent: Craig Stuart-Paul, Andrew Stone, Katherine Schnorrenberg
The Vestry met for its monthly meeting. Fr. Kirk called the meeting was called to order at 7:35. The Vestry members engaged in reading and discussing John 3: 1-17. This was followed by the sharing of prayer requests.
Fr. Kirk distributed a printed statement from himself and Mary-Marguerite. Full text of the announcement is attached to these minutes. The statement was a proposal for Fr. Kirk to take a part-time position at St. Timothy’s school and go part-time at St. Peter’s. Mary-Marguerite would become a co-rector with Fr. Kirk at St. Peter’s.
Fr. Kirk explained that this proposal was born out of a desire to keep Mary-Marguerite at St. Peter’s now that she has graduated. The church cannot afford to pay her a living salary and continue to pay Fr. Kirk a full-time salary. Fr. Kirk has received an offer to become chaplain at St. Timothy’s school. By taking this position and going to a part-time salary, the church could afford to pay Mary-Marguerite a salary.
Senior Warden Anne Pounder reported that after receiving the proposal earlier, she had visited with Bishop Rabb to discuss the possibilities. She reported that the Bishop was extremely helpful and offered several suggestions. Anne reminded the Vestry of the Start Up/Start Over stage that St. Peter’s is in. The guideline of the Start Up program is for the church to find what they do well and do it better. She felt that the co-rector concept would allow the church to tap into the talents of two people and thus gain new energy for the church. We would have the bonus of two experienced people who have a good perspective and gifts to help the church find those areas that it is good at and to find ways for the church to improve in those areas.
Mary-Marguerite explained that she had questioned staying in the parish and tried to determine if it would be good for her and for the parish. She met with Bishop Sutton and discussed this. The Bishop suggested that the diocese could use her training and education. As it becomes necessary, the diocese could refer pastoral counseling situations to her. He also felt that she could begin to build a private practice, occasionally do work for the diocese and handle the duties of a co-rector at St. Peter’s. With those comments, Mary-Marguerite reported that she felt good about staying in the parish. She told the Vestry that she has a very good working relationship with Kirk. She said that she and Kirk have had good communication and worked well together. She is anxious to continue that relationship and continuing to work in the parish. In a later discussion with Bishop Rabb, the Bishop suggested that they explore the idea of creating clergy sexual misconduct response team using the training that Mary-Marguerite has. See the full proposal for a more detailed discussion of these meetings with the Bishops.
After these comments and after the Vestry members had read the complete statement, a question and answer period followed. Questions with answers were as follows:
1. How does this benefit St. Peter’s?
By having co-rectors, the church would gain the knowledge and experience of two people, not just one. It would bring additional energy to the church. Further, it would enable St. Peter’s to keep Mary Marguerite within the budget for one Rector. Each one of us would be able to provide more focused attention on specific program areas, rather than one person needing to focus on all program areas. In the past six years, Kirk and Mary Marguerite have demonstrated complimentary gifts and strengths which have already benefited St. Peter’s. Additionally, their partnership models the kind of strong leadership a co-equal male and female team offers.
2. How will a co-rector situation help the church to grow?
As people see the energy and the outreach of the church under the direction of its co-rectors, they would be more inclined to want to worship here and to take advantages of the ministries that the church offers. Mary Marguerite would provide oversight with the Guest and New Members Incorporation processes. Likewise, Kirk’s gifts in working with children and young families through the St. Peter’s School, for example, will continue to bring people deeper into the life of the parish. His visibility in the community and throughout the diocese has also extended the name and life of St. Peter’s to more people. The personality of the two co-rectors would continue to attract a wider variety of people into the parish community.
3. How will the duties be defined and separated?
As explained in the proposal, areas of shared responsibility would include all Worship Services (both present, except during Vacation/Continuing Education time off), Liturgy planning and preaching, Pastoral Care Visitation, weddings, baptisms and funerals, and the Thursday Contemplative Prayer Service. The co-rectors would alternate chairing Vestry meetings month to month. Kirk would continue oversight with the Junior Warden on Property Issues. He would continue the St. Peter’s Nursery School Chapel and meet monthly with Sunday School teachers. Mary Marguerite would supervise training of Acolytes, Subdeacons, ushers, and those groups who serve on Sunday mornings. Mary Marguerite would officiate at the Tuesday morning service, oversee Youth Ministries and act as liaison to Guests and New Members Committee. Kirk and Mary Marguerite would work together to develop confirmation classes, newcomer’s orientation classes, parish retreats, and other new programs. This division of oversight will be revised as we move forward and as necessary to provide the best possible leadership and service to St. Peter’s.
4. How will the pastoral visits be handled? If a person needs to see someone immediately, what would happen?
Someone would be in the office on a regular basis. In addition, there would continue to be a minister available 24x7 for emergencies. Both Kirk and Mary Marguerite believe Pastoral Care will be strengthened by this move.
5. Having just met the challenge of going from three services down to two, is it poor timing to present this to the parishioners so soon after another major change?
Both Kirk and Mary Marguerite felt the process and outcome has been positive, demonstrating St. Peter’s ability to make changes happen. Both also feel that in this Start Up/Start Over time of transition, people will also get behind this idea once they have the facts and understand the benefits and reasoning.
6. “Start Up” says churches of our size are “clergy centered.” How can clergy drive our church if they are here part time?
Even though the two Co-Rectors would be splitting their time, there would still be full-time direction and ministerial coverage for the church. Kirk and Mary Marguerite both said that they felt the term “clergy centered” is an inaccurate label for what has long been understood as a Pastoral Sized Parish. The key is for the members of the congregation to strengthen relationships with the clergy and one another so as to be a healthy and vibrant Pastoral Parish. The focus is on what the church is doing, not on who is guiding it.
7. Can the church’s budget deal with the additional expenses that this would create, e.g.; additional mileage that would need to be paid?
There should be no impact on the parish budget. Expenses incurred for work outside the parish will not be paid by St. Peter’s.
8. Fr. Kirk: Are you bored/tired with St. Peter’s after 15 years?
No, I am not and have never been bored or tired of being at St. Peter’s. I believe St. Peter’s will benefit from having Mary Marguerite stay and the two of us working together will bring new energy and ideas to the church’s ministry. I feel that St. Peter’s best years lie ahead of us, and I intend to continue to do everything I can to grow the parish as we continue to “rebirth” the parish in the Start Up/Start Over process together. Our contemplative prayer service has already contributed an important new dimension to our life together. I believe that Bishop Sutton is correct in asserting the role Contemplative Prayer will play in the life of our congregation and my life as your Co-Rector.
9. Fr. Kirk: Do you want leave and go somewhere else?
No. I have already passed on a number of opportunities to do so. I have felt God calling me to be at St. Peter’s since 1989, and being called here in 1994 is one of the great joys of my ministry and life. As of now, that call is still vital. I love everyone here, and feel humbled and honored to be a part of St. Peter’s unique history in the Diocese of Maryland.
10. Fr. Kirk: Some people could interpret this desire for a co-rector as you abdicating some of your duties. Is that what is happening? What would you get at St. Timothy that you are not getting at St. Peter’s?
I see this as a way of better addressing the duties of being Rector of St. Peter’s, while being an active part of our outreach to the wider community, in this case extending the spiritual strengths of St. Peter’s to the students, faculty and staff at St. Timothy’s School for Girls, Stevenson, Maryland. This is a way to continue to share the duties of Rector with Mary Marguerite, with each of us being able to give more careful attention to the areas we each oversee. St. Peter’s faces both staffing and financial challenges, and this is a way that both of those issues can be addressed.
As far as what I expect to get from St. Timothy that isn’t here at St. Peter’s, first and foremost is the opportunity to shape the spiritual lives of young women in the 9th through 12th grades. I am also looking forward to revitalizing the school’s traditional connection to the Diocese and the Episcopal Church. I believe being a parish priest to be an important part of doing this, and at the same time being a chaplain in the school will contribute to what I can offer the parish as Co-Rector. I will also be working with young women representing 18 foreign countries, 15 states, and a variety of religious backgrounds. The challenge and opportunity to foster inter-faith understanding in such a diverse and pluralistic environment is the kind of work to which I have been committed since my undergraduate days. Working in such a diverse academic environment will surely revitalize me and my thinking so that I will bring fresh new ideas back to St. Peter’s. The school also has a beautiful campus, including walking trails of the former Irvine Nature Center, and I can see St. Peter’s visiting St. Timothy’s School for things such as retreats, nature walks, picnics and other events in church life. I will seek to develop a symbiotic relationship between the two institutions.
12. Fr. Kirk: When would you actually start at St. Timothy’s?
Monday, August 17, 2009.
13. What will Fr. Kirk’s commitment be to St. Timothy’s?
While acting as chaplain of the school, I will teach a class in world religions, lead a weekly worship service, work to develop the school’s community outreach, and be an advisor to four students each year. Teaching duties will be four days a week in the mornings.
14. Fr. Kirk: Since schools usually operate on a year-to-year basis, what happens if, after a year at St. Timothy’s, your contract is not renewed?
This is where the risk of the proposal comes in. The school does have yearly contracts and it is possible that my contract would not be renewed. However, I look forward to being at the school for a long time and to continue to serve as Co-Rector for St. Peter’s for a long time. If the school does not renew my contract, I will seek God’s direction at that time. Both St. Peter’s and St. Timothy’s will review this arrangement on an annual basis.
15. What happens with Mary Marguerite gets a good job offer?
I believe God has called me to be a parish priest and completing the Ph.D. does not change that belief. I have also felt that God played a hand in my call to serve St. Peter’s specifically. I consider the position of co-rector with Kirk to be wonderful opportunity--not as a short-term job or stepping stone to something else--but as a desirable permanent position.
16. If a better job offer came along for Mary Marguerite, would you want to stay at St. Peter? Why?
I am committed to St. Peter’s and want what is best for the parish, and believe that staying here is a positive move for me as well. However, I don’t have a lens that allows me to see the future. Should an offer appear at some point, I would try to discern God’s invitation. I can only say that I perceive the opportunity to continue to serve St. Peter’s as a “better” job offer than I had imagined possible.
17. Mary Marguerite: Can you accomplish the dreams that you have had if you stay at St. Peter?
Yes. As I have stated, I believe that God has called me to be a parish priest, and that I have gifts that can benefit St. Peter’s in the long term. I have friends in this area now, as well as a community at St. Peter’s. I would like to be able to put down permanent roots in a faith community. Further, by assuming the Co-Rectorship, I will have the opportunity to use my pastoral counseling skills and expertise in the area of clergy sexual abuse to benefit the diocese as well.
18. Mary Marguerite: Is the half-salary that St. Peter would be paying you enough to meet your needs?
The salary that St. Peter would pay will provide a livable wage that would give me the opportunity to explore other ways to use my skills, such as starting a private practice. I am scheduled to teach a course at Loyola in the fall, and occasional work from the diocesan office will also be a nice addition. I am grateful for the vestry’s generosity in considering my financial situation
19. Can Mary Marguerite take the job at St. Timothy’s?
The job was actually offered to Fr. Kirk based on his abilities and background. It would be inappropriate to try to switch the offer.
20. There is an old business adage that says “work expands to fill the available time.” How will the two part-time rectors avoid seeing their part-time work broaden into full time work at part-time pay and burn them out?
This is always something that clergy in parish ministry must do: learn to manage Parish time, with other commitments, family time and refreshment time. Their own spiritual growth will be a key factor to their leadership. Each will have to guard against becoming too busy and neglecting their own spiritual life. The Vestry can play a role in supporting and overseeing the demands placed on the Co-Rectors. Kirk and Mary Marguerite already support one another with their respective spiritual lives and emotional health.
21. With two rectors, how will you prevent a polarization toward one or the other co-rector from happening in the congregation?
A key to preventing this from happening is communication between the two rectors, the Vestry and the church members. The Vestry, Officers, Staff and Co-Rectors would need to be unified in their approach to issues that face the parish.
22. How will you resolve issues when they arise between the two rectors?
Fr. Kirk and Mary Marguerite have developed a good working relationship over the past six years based upon mutual respect, open communication and friendship. This would continue to be a keystone of their working relationship. They are committed to continue to develop their working relationship so as to effectively respond to challenges facing St. Peter’s.
At this point, as conversation and discussion began to end, John French called the question. He proposed that the Vestry vote to authorize Kirk and Mary Marguerite continue to work out the details of a co-rector status at St. Peter. By a vote of 11 Yeas, 1 No and 0 abstentions, the Vestry voted to authorize them to continue.
In a brief discussion that followed, the Vestry decided that Anne P will present the proposal that the next Sunday services. On, Tuesday, June 9, there would be an opening meeting between Kirk and Mary Marguerite and any church members who came. This would be an open question and answer period. The questions that were raised and answered during the vestry meeting would become a set of FAQ to distribute to the church members when the proposal is presented. John French volunteered to write a statement from the Vestry to the church members explaining our support of the proposal. Tom Baxter agreed to look at any contractual conflicts or issues that might have to be addressed as a result of the co-rector status. On the following Sunday, there would be a meeting during the two services for additional discussion with the congregation. These meeting would be held under the direction of a facilitator furnished but the diocese. After those meetings, the Vestry members will consider the information that they have heard during these meetings and then meet again on June 23 to take a final vote on whether to accept a co-rector status at St. Peter.
The meeting then ended at 9:55 after celebrating the Eucharist and the passing of the peace.
Co-Rector Proposal –
Dear Officers and Vestry:
From Kirk:
I have felt called to serve St. Peter’s since 1989. I was thrilled to be called as Rector in 1994, and feel eternally committed to all the people of our parish community. For all of my 14+ years, I have had a deep sense that I would be privileged to serve the rest of my active ministry pastoring and leading St. Peter. As we continue the Start Up/Start Over process, I am increasingly excited about what God has in store for us as a parish in the 21st century!
At the same time, since the time of our budget talks and the need to eliminate the Assistant Rector’s position, I have been looking for a solution that might allow us to keep Mary Marguerite at St. Peter’s. Working with Mary Marguerite Kohn for the past six years has been an extraordinary blessing. She has been a true and faithful colleague in every respect. She is an asset to our life as a parish, and the thought of losing her largely due to financial stresses, and her need for at least a half-time position in a church, has caused me to look outside the box to see if there is not a way to preserve a pastoral team that has been good for St. Peter’s.
About two months ago, a part-time position for a Chaplain at St. Timothy’s School in Stevenson, Maryland, became vacant and I was invited to interview for the position. As I explored the possibilities with the Head of School, it became clear to me that I could bring the kinds of gifts and experience that St. Timothy’s was looking for, and the Head of School agreed. I then entered into conversations with Bishop Rabb and Bishop Sutton. I told them that I was quite certain that God was not through with me at St. Peter’s, but the opportunity to teach, lead worship and help facilitate community outreach in a school setting was appealing.
It was Bishop Sutton who first suggested the idea of being half-time at St. Peter’s, and Bishop Rabb reminded me that we have had parishes with Co-Rectors in the diocese before. Bishop Rabb also noted that a recent long-time chaplain at the school was also a half-time Rector of a parish. Thus, the idea of Mary Marguerite and I becoming Co-Rectors was born. The next step was to explore the possibilities with Mallory and then Mary Marguerite.
I fully recognize the importance for leadership continuity at St. Peter’s. The Kubicek's very much wish to remain a part of life at St. Peter’s, and remain in the area, especially since Cerny is just completing her first year in High School. At the same time, Mary Marguerite, who will be looking to utilize her newly earned pastoral counseling skills, is an excellent candidate for a half-time position. As Mary Marguerite and I have explored the possibility together, the idea of our being Co-Rectors of St. Peter’s would enable a) St. Peter to keep Mary Marguerite on Staff, b) each one of us being able to provide more focused attention on specific areas of parish life, rather then my having to parcel out my focus on all program areas, and c) by sharing co-equally one compensation package, St. Peters would be able to continue having two clergy for close to the same expense of having one, and possibly a few dollars less.
Going back to Seminary days, I have always believed that institutional chaplains are best served being an active part of parish ministry at the same time, and vice versa. I also believe that what Mary Marguerite and I will bring back to the parish from our respective outside positions will enrich life at St. Peter’s and help inspire new ways to become the parish God wants us to be. I am hoping the Vestry will see this as an opportunity for St. Peter’s to keep moving in ever more positive directions to serve those who are members of our parish and the community beyond the walls of our historic church.
From Mary Marguerite:
When Kirk mentioned the possibility of sharing the duties of Rector of St. Peter’s, I was very excited. I would find it a privilege and a joy to be able to have the time and the position to continue to be part of the life of St. Peter’s and to assist more fully in the renewal process. I have valued, more than I can say, the 6 years that I have been fortunate to serve as Assistant Rector.
As you know, my leaving has seemed inevitable primarily for financial reasons — for both St. Peter’s and me. At the same time, I have realized that I am ready to resume a position of responsibility and oversight in a parish setting. I met with Bishop Eugene earlier in the spring for a brainstorming session about opportunities in the diocese that would utilize both my parish skills and my newly minted Ph.D. in pastoral counseling. He wondered whether, if a suitable part-time parish position could be found, I might be able to start doing private practice, which I would enjoy very much. Thus, I began seriously thinking about combining parish work with counseling. I also was recently asked to teach a course for the Pastoral Counseling Dept this fall. I was honored and accepted provisionally (based on my finding work in this area).
From Both of Us:
Therefore, for both of us the benefits seem clear and exciting. We both would be able to continue to serve a parish to which we are committed, and to retain our fruitful relationship and team ministry. Each of us would also be using our talents in some new areas. St. Peter’s would not have to undergo the stress of “losing” one of our two-clergy pastoral team. To us, the benefits far outweigh the challenges. The primary challenge is for the two of us to split the areas of responsibility equitably, and to adjust to a different working relationship. We have begun to look at this carefully. So far, this is how we have envisioned a Co-Rectorship. Start up date is projected to be Monday, August 17, 2009.
We are asking the Vestry to consider approval of a plan that will enable us to keep Mary Marguerite Kohn on Staff. Mary Marguerite and Kirk would become Co-Rectors of St. Peter’s, each working half-time. Mary Marguerite would also pursue teaching and counseling part-time; and Kirk would become Chaplain to St. Timothy’s School, Stevenson, part-time.
Mary Marguerite and Kirk would split the current rector’s compensation package. (See financial breakdown attached).
Areas of shared responsibility would include Sunday Services and Feasts (both present, except during vacation/continuing education time off), Liturgy planning and preaching, pastoral care visitation, weddings, baptisms and funerals, the Thursday Contemplative Prayer Service.
We would alternate chairing Vestry meetings month to month.
Kirk would continue oversight with the Junior Warden on property issues.
Kirk would continue the St. Peter’s Nursery School Chapel.
Kirk would meet monthly with Sunday School teachers.
Mary Marguerite would supervise training of Acolytes, Subdeacons, Ushers, and those groups who serve on Sunday mornings.
Mary Marguerite would officiate at the Tuesday morning service.
Mary Marguerite would oversee Youth ministries, and the Guests and New Members Committee.
We would work together to develop Confirmation Classes, Newcomer’s Orientation Classes, and Parish Retreats.
Once our respective fall schedules are known, we would post clearly defined office hours.
Day Off Schedule: Once other schedules are determined, we hope that one of us would take Monday, the other Friday. This would provide for someone to be on call Mon-Fri.
As we move forward in the Start Up/Start Over process, we would continue to refine specific areas of responsibilities.
Below are the numbers as John Francis (Parish treasurer) has outlined them at present:
Kirk-
I ran the #'s for what the affect to the budget would be if you were F/T at St Peters w/o MM and if you and MM were both 1/2 time.Assumptions so far: For you ½ time, pay would be cut in half and St Peters would cover all health costs For MM ½ time, her total housing and salary would be $40,458. I used 2009 figures since any difference for 2010 would be noise Kirk/MM ½ time Kirk FTKirk Salary & Housing 40,458 80,917Kirk Pension 7,283 14,565Kirk Health/Life 23,466 23,466MM Salary & Housing 40,458 0MM Pension 7,283 0MM Health/Life 7,614 0Total 126,562 118,948
St Timothy’s Cont [- 7,620]Total 118,942Increase for two ½ time positions versus 1 full time is $7,614. So that's certainly a doable situation and if we can save even a little for your health/life, it'll be pretty much a wash. [NOTE: St. Timothy’s agrees to pay $7,620 toward Kirk’s Health, which makes the total package for the two of us $118,942]
We realize that you, as the leaders of the Vestry, and the full Vestry, may have questions, concerns, and ideas which have not occurred to either of us. We look forward to a mutual discernment process, and hope that you will find this proposal as exciting as we do. No doubt there will be challenges, and the change in clergy leadership roles may seem disorienting at first. After we both have had time to reflect and discuss the options carefully, we believe the merits will outweigh challenges.
Yours In Christ,
Kirk Kubicek
Mary Marguerite Kohn
June 2, 2009
Present: Kirk Kubicek, Mary-Marguerite Kohn, Anne Pounder, John Francis, Eric Samuel, Guv Mitchell, Angela Mitchell, Phil Shaw, John French, Tom Baxter, Richard O’Dell, Anne Hager, Jennie Boyer
Absent: Craig Stuart-Paul, Andrew Stone, Katherine Schnorrenberg
The Vestry met for its monthly meeting. Fr. Kirk called the meeting was called to order at 7:35. The Vestry members engaged in reading and discussing John 3: 1-17. This was followed by the sharing of prayer requests.
Fr. Kirk distributed a printed statement from himself and Mary-Marguerite. Full text of the announcement is attached to these minutes. The statement was a proposal for Fr. Kirk to take a part-time position at St. Timothy’s school and go part-time at St. Peter’s. Mary-Marguerite would become a co-rector with Fr. Kirk at St. Peter’s.
Fr. Kirk explained that this proposal was born out of a desire to keep Mary-Marguerite at St. Peter’s now that she has graduated. The church cannot afford to pay her a living salary and continue to pay Fr. Kirk a full-time salary. Fr. Kirk has received an offer to become chaplain at St. Timothy’s school. By taking this position and going to a part-time salary, the church could afford to pay Mary-Marguerite a salary.
Senior Warden Anne Pounder reported that after receiving the proposal earlier, she had visited with Bishop Rabb to discuss the possibilities. She reported that the Bishop was extremely helpful and offered several suggestions. Anne reminded the Vestry of the Start Up/Start Over stage that St. Peter’s is in. The guideline of the Start Up program is for the church to find what they do well and do it better. She felt that the co-rector concept would allow the church to tap into the talents of two people and thus gain new energy for the church. We would have the bonus of two experienced people who have a good perspective and gifts to help the church find those areas that it is good at and to find ways for the church to improve in those areas.
Mary-Marguerite explained that she had questioned staying in the parish and tried to determine if it would be good for her and for the parish. She met with Bishop Sutton and discussed this. The Bishop suggested that the diocese could use her training and education. As it becomes necessary, the diocese could refer pastoral counseling situations to her. He also felt that she could begin to build a private practice, occasionally do work for the diocese and handle the duties of a co-rector at St. Peter’s. With those comments, Mary-Marguerite reported that she felt good about staying in the parish. She told the Vestry that she has a very good working relationship with Kirk. She said that she and Kirk have had good communication and worked well together. She is anxious to continue that relationship and continuing to work in the parish. In a later discussion with Bishop Rabb, the Bishop suggested that they explore the idea of creating clergy sexual misconduct response team using the training that Mary-Marguerite has. See the full proposal for a more detailed discussion of these meetings with the Bishops.
After these comments and after the Vestry members had read the complete statement, a question and answer period followed. Questions with answers were as follows:
1. How does this benefit St. Peter’s?
By having co-rectors, the church would gain the knowledge and experience of two people, not just one. It would bring additional energy to the church. Further, it would enable St. Peter’s to keep Mary Marguerite within the budget for one Rector. Each one of us would be able to provide more focused attention on specific program areas, rather than one person needing to focus on all program areas. In the past six years, Kirk and Mary Marguerite have demonstrated complimentary gifts and strengths which have already benefited St. Peter’s. Additionally, their partnership models the kind of strong leadership a co-equal male and female team offers.
2. How will a co-rector situation help the church to grow?
As people see the energy and the outreach of the church under the direction of its co-rectors, they would be more inclined to want to worship here and to take advantages of the ministries that the church offers. Mary Marguerite would provide oversight with the Guest and New Members Incorporation processes. Likewise, Kirk’s gifts in working with children and young families through the St. Peter’s School, for example, will continue to bring people deeper into the life of the parish. His visibility in the community and throughout the diocese has also extended the name and life of St. Peter’s to more people. The personality of the two co-rectors would continue to attract a wider variety of people into the parish community.
3. How will the duties be defined and separated?
As explained in the proposal, areas of shared responsibility would include all Worship Services (both present, except during Vacation/Continuing Education time off), Liturgy planning and preaching, Pastoral Care Visitation, weddings, baptisms and funerals, and the Thursday Contemplative Prayer Service. The co-rectors would alternate chairing Vestry meetings month to month. Kirk would continue oversight with the Junior Warden on Property Issues. He would continue the St. Peter’s Nursery School Chapel and meet monthly with Sunday School teachers. Mary Marguerite would supervise training of Acolytes, Subdeacons, ushers, and those groups who serve on Sunday mornings. Mary Marguerite would officiate at the Tuesday morning service, oversee Youth Ministries and act as liaison to Guests and New Members Committee. Kirk and Mary Marguerite would work together to develop confirmation classes, newcomer’s orientation classes, parish retreats, and other new programs. This division of oversight will be revised as we move forward and as necessary to provide the best possible leadership and service to St. Peter’s.
4. How will the pastoral visits be handled? If a person needs to see someone immediately, what would happen?
Someone would be in the office on a regular basis. In addition, there would continue to be a minister available 24x7 for emergencies. Both Kirk and Mary Marguerite believe Pastoral Care will be strengthened by this move.
5. Having just met the challenge of going from three services down to two, is it poor timing to present this to the parishioners so soon after another major change?
Both Kirk and Mary Marguerite felt the process and outcome has been positive, demonstrating St. Peter’s ability to make changes happen. Both also feel that in this Start Up/Start Over time of transition, people will also get behind this idea once they have the facts and understand the benefits and reasoning.
6. “Start Up” says churches of our size are “clergy centered.” How can clergy drive our church if they are here part time?
Even though the two Co-Rectors would be splitting their time, there would still be full-time direction and ministerial coverage for the church. Kirk and Mary Marguerite both said that they felt the term “clergy centered” is an inaccurate label for what has long been understood as a Pastoral Sized Parish. The key is for the members of the congregation to strengthen relationships with the clergy and one another so as to be a healthy and vibrant Pastoral Parish. The focus is on what the church is doing, not on who is guiding it.
7. Can the church’s budget deal with the additional expenses that this would create, e.g.; additional mileage that would need to be paid?
There should be no impact on the parish budget. Expenses incurred for work outside the parish will not be paid by St. Peter’s.
8. Fr. Kirk: Are you bored/tired with St. Peter’s after 15 years?
No, I am not and have never been bored or tired of being at St. Peter’s. I believe St. Peter’s will benefit from having Mary Marguerite stay and the two of us working together will bring new energy and ideas to the church’s ministry. I feel that St. Peter’s best years lie ahead of us, and I intend to continue to do everything I can to grow the parish as we continue to “rebirth” the parish in the Start Up/Start Over process together. Our contemplative prayer service has already contributed an important new dimension to our life together. I believe that Bishop Sutton is correct in asserting the role Contemplative Prayer will play in the life of our congregation and my life as your Co-Rector.
9. Fr. Kirk: Do you want leave and go somewhere else?
No. I have already passed on a number of opportunities to do so. I have felt God calling me to be at St. Peter’s since 1989, and being called here in 1994 is one of the great joys of my ministry and life. As of now, that call is still vital. I love everyone here, and feel humbled and honored to be a part of St. Peter’s unique history in the Diocese of Maryland.
10. Fr. Kirk: Some people could interpret this desire for a co-rector as you abdicating some of your duties. Is that what is happening? What would you get at St. Timothy that you are not getting at St. Peter’s?
I see this as a way of better addressing the duties of being Rector of St. Peter’s, while being an active part of our outreach to the wider community, in this case extending the spiritual strengths of St. Peter’s to the students, faculty and staff at St. Timothy’s School for Girls, Stevenson, Maryland. This is a way to continue to share the duties of Rector with Mary Marguerite, with each of us being able to give more careful attention to the areas we each oversee. St. Peter’s faces both staffing and financial challenges, and this is a way that both of those issues can be addressed.
As far as what I expect to get from St. Timothy that isn’t here at St. Peter’s, first and foremost is the opportunity to shape the spiritual lives of young women in the 9th through 12th grades. I am also looking forward to revitalizing the school’s traditional connection to the Diocese and the Episcopal Church. I believe being a parish priest to be an important part of doing this, and at the same time being a chaplain in the school will contribute to what I can offer the parish as Co-Rector. I will also be working with young women representing 18 foreign countries, 15 states, and a variety of religious backgrounds. The challenge and opportunity to foster inter-faith understanding in such a diverse and pluralistic environment is the kind of work to which I have been committed since my undergraduate days. Working in such a diverse academic environment will surely revitalize me and my thinking so that I will bring fresh new ideas back to St. Peter’s. The school also has a beautiful campus, including walking trails of the former Irvine Nature Center, and I can see St. Peter’s visiting St. Timothy’s School for things such as retreats, nature walks, picnics and other events in church life. I will seek to develop a symbiotic relationship between the two institutions.
12. Fr. Kirk: When would you actually start at St. Timothy’s?
Monday, August 17, 2009.
13. What will Fr. Kirk’s commitment be to St. Timothy’s?
While acting as chaplain of the school, I will teach a class in world religions, lead a weekly worship service, work to develop the school’s community outreach, and be an advisor to four students each year. Teaching duties will be four days a week in the mornings.
14. Fr. Kirk: Since schools usually operate on a year-to-year basis, what happens if, after a year at St. Timothy’s, your contract is not renewed?
This is where the risk of the proposal comes in. The school does have yearly contracts and it is possible that my contract would not be renewed. However, I look forward to being at the school for a long time and to continue to serve as Co-Rector for St. Peter’s for a long time. If the school does not renew my contract, I will seek God’s direction at that time. Both St. Peter’s and St. Timothy’s will review this arrangement on an annual basis.
15. What happens with Mary Marguerite gets a good job offer?
I believe God has called me to be a parish priest and completing the Ph.D. does not change that belief. I have also felt that God played a hand in my call to serve St. Peter’s specifically. I consider the position of co-rector with Kirk to be wonderful opportunity--not as a short-term job or stepping stone to something else--but as a desirable permanent position.
16. If a better job offer came along for Mary Marguerite, would you want to stay at St. Peter? Why?
I am committed to St. Peter’s and want what is best for the parish, and believe that staying here is a positive move for me as well. However, I don’t have a lens that allows me to see the future. Should an offer appear at some point, I would try to discern God’s invitation. I can only say that I perceive the opportunity to continue to serve St. Peter’s as a “better” job offer than I had imagined possible.
17. Mary Marguerite: Can you accomplish the dreams that you have had if you stay at St. Peter?
Yes. As I have stated, I believe that God has called me to be a parish priest, and that I have gifts that can benefit St. Peter’s in the long term. I have friends in this area now, as well as a community at St. Peter’s. I would like to be able to put down permanent roots in a faith community. Further, by assuming the Co-Rectorship, I will have the opportunity to use my pastoral counseling skills and expertise in the area of clergy sexual abuse to benefit the diocese as well.
18. Mary Marguerite: Is the half-salary that St. Peter would be paying you enough to meet your needs?
The salary that St. Peter would pay will provide a livable wage that would give me the opportunity to explore other ways to use my skills, such as starting a private practice. I am scheduled to teach a course at Loyola in the fall, and occasional work from the diocesan office will also be a nice addition. I am grateful for the vestry’s generosity in considering my financial situation
19. Can Mary Marguerite take the job at St. Timothy’s?
The job was actually offered to Fr. Kirk based on his abilities and background. It would be inappropriate to try to switch the offer.
20. There is an old business adage that says “work expands to fill the available time.” How will the two part-time rectors avoid seeing their part-time work broaden into full time work at part-time pay and burn them out?
This is always something that clergy in parish ministry must do: learn to manage Parish time, with other commitments, family time and refreshment time. Their own spiritual growth will be a key factor to their leadership. Each will have to guard against becoming too busy and neglecting their own spiritual life. The Vestry can play a role in supporting and overseeing the demands placed on the Co-Rectors. Kirk and Mary Marguerite already support one another with their respective spiritual lives and emotional health.
21. With two rectors, how will you prevent a polarization toward one or the other co-rector from happening in the congregation?
A key to preventing this from happening is communication between the two rectors, the Vestry and the church members. The Vestry, Officers, Staff and Co-Rectors would need to be unified in their approach to issues that face the parish.
22. How will you resolve issues when they arise between the two rectors?
Fr. Kirk and Mary Marguerite have developed a good working relationship over the past six years based upon mutual respect, open communication and friendship. This would continue to be a keystone of their working relationship. They are committed to continue to develop their working relationship so as to effectively respond to challenges facing St. Peter’s.
At this point, as conversation and discussion began to end, John French called the question. He proposed that the Vestry vote to authorize Kirk and Mary Marguerite continue to work out the details of a co-rector status at St. Peter. By a vote of 11 Yeas, 1 No and 0 abstentions, the Vestry voted to authorize them to continue.
In a brief discussion that followed, the Vestry decided that Anne P will present the proposal that the next Sunday services. On, Tuesday, June 9, there would be an opening meeting between Kirk and Mary Marguerite and any church members who came. This would be an open question and answer period. The questions that were raised and answered during the vestry meeting would become a set of FAQ to distribute to the church members when the proposal is presented. John French volunteered to write a statement from the Vestry to the church members explaining our support of the proposal. Tom Baxter agreed to look at any contractual conflicts or issues that might have to be addressed as a result of the co-rector status. On the following Sunday, there would be a meeting during the two services for additional discussion with the congregation. These meeting would be held under the direction of a facilitator furnished but the diocese. After those meetings, the Vestry members will consider the information that they have heard during these meetings and then meet again on June 23 to take a final vote on whether to accept a co-rector status at St. Peter.
The meeting then ended at 9:55 after celebrating the Eucharist and the passing of the peace.
Co-Rector Proposal –
Dear Officers and Vestry:
From Kirk:
I have felt called to serve St. Peter’s since 1989. I was thrilled to be called as Rector in 1994, and feel eternally committed to all the people of our parish community. For all of my 14+ years, I have had a deep sense that I would be privileged to serve the rest of my active ministry pastoring and leading St. Peter. As we continue the Start Up/Start Over process, I am increasingly excited about what God has in store for us as a parish in the 21st century!
At the same time, since the time of our budget talks and the need to eliminate the Assistant Rector’s position, I have been looking for a solution that might allow us to keep Mary Marguerite at St. Peter’s. Working with Mary Marguerite Kohn for the past six years has been an extraordinary blessing. She has been a true and faithful colleague in every respect. She is an asset to our life as a parish, and the thought of losing her largely due to financial stresses, and her need for at least a half-time position in a church, has caused me to look outside the box to see if there is not a way to preserve a pastoral team that has been good for St. Peter’s.
About two months ago, a part-time position for a Chaplain at St. Timothy’s School in Stevenson, Maryland, became vacant and I was invited to interview for the position. As I explored the possibilities with the Head of School, it became clear to me that I could bring the kinds of gifts and experience that St. Timothy’s was looking for, and the Head of School agreed. I then entered into conversations with Bishop Rabb and Bishop Sutton. I told them that I was quite certain that God was not through with me at St. Peter’s, but the opportunity to teach, lead worship and help facilitate community outreach in a school setting was appealing.
It was Bishop Sutton who first suggested the idea of being half-time at St. Peter’s, and Bishop Rabb reminded me that we have had parishes with Co-Rectors in the diocese before. Bishop Rabb also noted that a recent long-time chaplain at the school was also a half-time Rector of a parish. Thus, the idea of Mary Marguerite and I becoming Co-Rectors was born. The next step was to explore the possibilities with Mallory and then Mary Marguerite.
I fully recognize the importance for leadership continuity at St. Peter’s. The Kubicek's very much wish to remain a part of life at St. Peter’s, and remain in the area, especially since Cerny is just completing her first year in High School. At the same time, Mary Marguerite, who will be looking to utilize her newly earned pastoral counseling skills, is an excellent candidate for a half-time position. As Mary Marguerite and I have explored the possibility together, the idea of our being Co-Rectors of St. Peter’s would enable a) St. Peter to keep Mary Marguerite on Staff, b) each one of us being able to provide more focused attention on specific areas of parish life, rather then my having to parcel out my focus on all program areas, and c) by sharing co-equally one compensation package, St. Peters would be able to continue having two clergy for close to the same expense of having one, and possibly a few dollars less.
Going back to Seminary days, I have always believed that institutional chaplains are best served being an active part of parish ministry at the same time, and vice versa. I also believe that what Mary Marguerite and I will bring back to the parish from our respective outside positions will enrich life at St. Peter’s and help inspire new ways to become the parish God wants us to be. I am hoping the Vestry will see this as an opportunity for St. Peter’s to keep moving in ever more positive directions to serve those who are members of our parish and the community beyond the walls of our historic church.
From Mary Marguerite:
When Kirk mentioned the possibility of sharing the duties of Rector of St. Peter’s, I was very excited. I would find it a privilege and a joy to be able to have the time and the position to continue to be part of the life of St. Peter’s and to assist more fully in the renewal process. I have valued, more than I can say, the 6 years that I have been fortunate to serve as Assistant Rector.
As you know, my leaving has seemed inevitable primarily for financial reasons — for both St. Peter’s and me. At the same time, I have realized that I am ready to resume a position of responsibility and oversight in a parish setting. I met with Bishop Eugene earlier in the spring for a brainstorming session about opportunities in the diocese that would utilize both my parish skills and my newly minted Ph.D. in pastoral counseling. He wondered whether, if a suitable part-time parish position could be found, I might be able to start doing private practice, which I would enjoy very much. Thus, I began seriously thinking about combining parish work with counseling. I also was recently asked to teach a course for the Pastoral Counseling Dept this fall. I was honored and accepted provisionally (based on my finding work in this area).
From Both of Us:
Therefore, for both of us the benefits seem clear and exciting. We both would be able to continue to serve a parish to which we are committed, and to retain our fruitful relationship and team ministry. Each of us would also be using our talents in some new areas. St. Peter’s would not have to undergo the stress of “losing” one of our two-clergy pastoral team. To us, the benefits far outweigh the challenges. The primary challenge is for the two of us to split the areas of responsibility equitably, and to adjust to a different working relationship. We have begun to look at this carefully. So far, this is how we have envisioned a Co-Rectorship. Start up date is projected to be Monday, August 17, 2009.
We are asking the Vestry to consider approval of a plan that will enable us to keep Mary Marguerite Kohn on Staff. Mary Marguerite and Kirk would become Co-Rectors of St. Peter’s, each working half-time. Mary Marguerite would also pursue teaching and counseling part-time; and Kirk would become Chaplain to St. Timothy’s School, Stevenson, part-time.
Mary Marguerite and Kirk would split the current rector’s compensation package. (See financial breakdown attached).
Areas of shared responsibility would include Sunday Services and Feasts (both present, except during vacation/continuing education time off), Liturgy planning and preaching, pastoral care visitation, weddings, baptisms and funerals, the Thursday Contemplative Prayer Service.
We would alternate chairing Vestry meetings month to month.
Kirk would continue oversight with the Junior Warden on property issues.
Kirk would continue the St. Peter’s Nursery School Chapel.
Kirk would meet monthly with Sunday School teachers.
Mary Marguerite would supervise training of Acolytes, Subdeacons, Ushers, and those groups who serve on Sunday mornings.
Mary Marguerite would officiate at the Tuesday morning service.
Mary Marguerite would oversee Youth ministries, and the Guests and New Members Committee.
We would work together to develop Confirmation Classes, Newcomer’s Orientation Classes, and Parish Retreats.
Once our respective fall schedules are known, we would post clearly defined office hours.
Day Off Schedule: Once other schedules are determined, we hope that one of us would take Monday, the other Friday. This would provide for someone to be on call Mon-Fri.
As we move forward in the Start Up/Start Over process, we would continue to refine specific areas of responsibilities.
Below are the numbers as John Francis (Parish treasurer) has outlined them at present:
Kirk-
I ran the #'s for what the affect to the budget would be if you were F/T at St Peters w/o MM and if you and MM were both 1/2 time.Assumptions so far: For you ½ time, pay would be cut in half and St Peters would cover all health costs For MM ½ time, her total housing and salary would be $40,458. I used 2009 figures since any difference for 2010 would be noise Kirk/MM ½ time Kirk FTKirk Salary & Housing 40,458 80,917Kirk Pension 7,283 14,565Kirk Health/Life 23,466 23,466MM Salary & Housing 40,458 0MM Pension 7,283 0MM Health/Life 7,614 0Total 126,562 118,948
St Timothy’s Cont [- 7,620]Total 118,942Increase for two ½ time positions versus 1 full time is $7,614. So that's certainly a doable situation and if we can save even a little for your health/life, it'll be pretty much a wash. [NOTE: St. Timothy’s agrees to pay $7,620 toward Kirk’s Health, which makes the total package for the two of us $118,942]
We realize that you, as the leaders of the Vestry, and the full Vestry, may have questions, concerns, and ideas which have not occurred to either of us. We look forward to a mutual discernment process, and hope that you will find this proposal as exciting as we do. No doubt there will be challenges, and the change in clergy leadership roles may seem disorienting at first. After we both have had time to reflect and discuss the options carefully, we believe the merits will outweigh challenges.
Yours In Christ,
Kirk Kubicek
Mary Marguerite Kohn
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